When Someone You Love Goes Missing | Dan Davis Case

Hey everyone, and welcome back to Case Uncovered, where we uncover some of the most compelling and lesser known true crime cases. I'm your host, John Rivera, and I'm really excited to share that in the next couple of weeks, Case Uncovered will officially go back to a weekly podcast, so I'll be sharing new episodes with you every week on Thursdays. Now, many of you know I have been a little miia these last couple of months. If you are familiar with my story, you know that my aunt, Linda Brown went missing in January and I went from an advocate who worked with families of the missing to a family member going through it in real time. This has definitely been an experience that's changed me and I will be sharing my aunt's story here on the podcast soon, so make sure you stay tuned. But today I have a really special episode for you all and an incredible guest. Now this particular episode, there is a video option available as well if you want to tune in on YouTube. I have a really amazing guest that's joining me today in studio. Her name is Wendy Davis. Many of you may be familiar with her dad's case. Her dad Dan Davis went missing in November of twenty twenty five, so it's been about three months that he's been missing. While my family and I were still searching for my aunt, I had so many people reach out and suggest that I connect with Wendy. We both live in the same local area, and her dad's case and my aunt's case had some similarities. So after we found my aunt and I got back to work working on my nonprofit, the Reignited Project and helping families of the missing, I really wanted to help in any way that I could, so I reached out to Wendy and we connected. Wendy is an amazing person. She has an incredible personality and you'll be able to see that in today's interview. Despite going through an incredibly difficult time with her dad missing, she's been extremely strong and has continued to stay as positive as possible. So in today's episode, and he's going to share a little bit about her dad. She's gonna tell us all about him, the type of person he is, and all the facts of his case, from the timeline to what they do know and what they don't, and where the search stands today. Thank you, Wendy for joining me. For this episode. You for having me. I'm so excited to have you, I know, to have you in studio too. Yes, I wish it was under better circumstances, but you know that's why we're here. To what it is. Yeah. Yeah, So Wendy is going to share a little bit about her dad's case today. We're going to talk about that. I'd like to talk a little bit about your search efforts, kind of where you guys are at now, and you know, even like talking a little bit about my aunt Linda's case as well, and maybe anything I can help with or feedback or whatever. For sure, as we just went through this process too, so not as long, but we did go through it. So yeah, it's definitely it's tough. Yeah, it's tough for sure. And there's a lot you don't know, even for me being and working in the space. So yeah, so that's what we're going to do. Cool and then kind of talk about, you know, ways that we can help, like my audience can help, how we can continue to spread awareness her Dan's case. And then yeah, so. If you can give us a little bit of background, I want to talk about your dad first. Yeah, let's talk about him. He sounds like such. Yeah, he yeah, he's everyone always you know, ask me this, and the first thing I always say is that my dad is a huge goofball, Like I I would say, like ninety eight percent of my memories with my dad or us just like laughing about the dumbest things, the only we think are funny, Like like he he is all about sarcasm and dark humor and I we would, I don't know, make fun of people, like like it's just like this stuff that not everybody's gonna laugh at. He and I would laugh at all the time. And it's it's been that way since I could form a thought, like my entire life. So yeah, he's hilarious. And you know, I've been learning a lot more about him throughout this whole process too, And you know, people tell me stories about how we use a work and pranks he's pulled on people at work, and I just like every everybody shares the same impression of my dad as I do. Like they all agree that he's just funny and he's a light and nobody has anything negative to say about him. He's like he's also just somebody that like just gets along with everyone, Like he doesn't have any beef with anybody. Nobody has any complaints about him. Like he's not only a really good, really funny person, but he's really good at his job. He's I'll give contact. My dad is the lean lighting designer at one fifteen Bourbon Street, the south Side club bar restaurant venue that he has worked out for like twenty six years, twenty five years, and so he is in charge of all the productions there. So he will set up all the lights, he'll rig up everything like a couple of days before a big show and then he'll be at the light board for the actual show, so he'll do lights and everything and yeah, yeah, and he he's been doing bad jobs specifically for like forty years, Like even before he moved to Chicago, he was doing that on in Indiana. So but he's one of those people you could tell the difference between Dan's lights versus somebody else's lights, Like he has just such a creative touch with it, and he you know, points everything in the directions he wants and he'll just like kind of just take the liberty and do whatever he wants a Bourbon and just anyway. So he he's very creative, forward person like his visions are always like five years ahead of their time. And yeah, I mean he's also just a man of routine, a man of habit. He spends all his time either at home, at work, or at his friend's house, which is in Blue Island. So that's how he's connected to Blue Island. But yeah, he's not a huge traveler. He doesn't surprise anybody. Like again, he's he's very simple, routine, never missed a day of work in all of those twenty five years. And yeah, so him him being missing is the biggest shock like he's ever given anybody obviously, because he's not like somebody that would go remote, like go off of grade and not tell anybody or be like, you know, screw this. I like, he doesn't have anything to run from or like like you know. It's so yeah, anyway, so let's talk a little bit about his disappearance then, So when exactly did he disappear and what were the circumstances surrounding that. So I was like, so I'll just like paint a picture of how I found out. So so, yeah, so I was downtown and I was hanging out with my family. You're just like getting ice cream or something, and I got a call from one of my dad's close friends who I don't know. It was around like nine o'clock at night or something, and she goes, Hi, Wendy, I'm blah blah blah, I'm your dad's close friend. We're here with the we're here with the police, and we can't find your deck. And I'm out with my family and you know, I'm with there's kids with me, and I'm trying not to you know whatever. I'm just like, okay, I'm like unreactive because I'm with people. And she goes on and explains, you know, Keens didn't show up to work the last couple of days. Nobody can reach him. His calls go straight to voicemail when people try to call him, so something's up with his phone. And they just went over to his apartment in that moment, and they, you know, came over with the police, and the police were able to open the door and he wasn't in his apartment, and that's when they were like, okay, time to call Wendy. So his friends already kind of knew about it before I did, and they wanted to wait to call me until they knew for sure that they don't know where he is. So yeah, it was officially November twenty fifth that he went missing. So it's a big, long, complicated timeline, but just to crunch it down a little bit, just the timeline of events. On November twenty fourth, we know pretty much for sure that my dad suffered some kind of medical episode at home at his apartment. Whether it's earlier that day or the day before, on the twenty third, whatever, We're pretty sure it was a stroke, just because of all the video that we have of him, all of his sightings the following day. But so something happened to him at his apartment on the twenty fourth, and then that evening around like eleven PM or so on November twenty fourth, my dad got into a head on collision car accident, like not even five minutes away from his apartment, like pretty close. He only lives like five minutes away from Bourgon Street. He was involved in a head on collision and he was fine. He was not visibly injured either was the other driver. The Cook County Sheriff's Department responded to the call, and my dad refused medical attention multiple times and requests to be dropped off at Bourbon Street because that's probably where he was going at that hour, and he said, I have friends there, they can drive me home or whatever. I'm like okay, So they take him there, and he had just missed his friends, like they had just left and they were like, all right, Dan's not showing up. Let's go see if he shows up at our house. So they just missed him in that moment, which sucks. So they didn't see him, but Bourbon was closing up. He only spent about like thirty minutes there and didn't really interact with anybody. But we watched a bunch of security camera footage of my dad at Bourbon and we can tell he's wandering around and kind of aimlessly, like he's walking kind of weird. He's tripping over some random curbs and little things, and we can tell he's not with it, and he eventually leaves on foot. Going into the morning of November twenty fifth, at like one in the morning, he finally leaves Bourbon on foot and recalling that the moment that he went missing, because that's when he eventually ended up in Blue Island by walking. And then all day on November twenty fifth is when we have all those clips of his sightings of him like wandering through people's yards and through alleys and again tripping over stuff and like not being able to maneuver around simple like obstacles. So we have a bunch of clips of him that day. And then the final video that we still to this day have of my dad is on November twenty sixth, the next day, and it's in him just like walking out the door of a church in Blue Island, and we think he was just like like he had this thing where he was just trying to open doors for whatever reason, Like he was just like checking doors. So we think that he just like accidentally ended up inside the church for a minute and was just in and out. We don't think he was like attending church. Yeah. So anyways, that's the last sighting that we have my dad is the twenty sixth, and that was like almost three months ago now, and it's been this big, long, long, painful like cycle of people sending in videos they think is my dad and we're like, nah, shoot, no, that's not him. Okay, Oh I heard about this, Oh that's not him, Okay. So it's just this cycle that we've been going through for three months I said, long story short, and that was no, that's right, but yeah, no. But it's important information though, because it gives kind of the timeline, it gives the last actual sighting, and so that's really important because a lot of times people want to know that too, especially if they're keeping an eye out. Even from my experience with my aunt Linda, when she went missing, it was like very similar circumstances where she's not one to just disappear. It wasn't a normal thing, so we took it seriously right away, right, But I know how that feels when people are like, we've seen her, and we got so many of those, so many of those, right, some people saying they saw her at like crack houses and like we're and. We're like, yeah, like places that would never Yeah, I mean like it was her, it was her. And there was one person I actually had to have the police intervene because she kept reaching out to me and she was like, you need to go, you need. And I'm like, we've had people like that too. It's like it's when your case blows up in the media, people want to I'm not saying that's why they're messaging us, but like people want to be involved, and people are convinced that they something just because they've seen my dad's face all over the news, and the mind starts playing tricks on you and stuff, and yeah, we've had people be like I know it was him, I knew it was in him. And then we get the video and it's some six foot five guy with a beard and like like just look at me. I don't know. I'm like, guys, what are we to do? Like thank you? But what and we yeah, we appreciate it, tips and everything. Obviously call them in, you know, please don't. Don't stop doing that. But I'm just explaining like the. Exactly, but yeah, that's the that's the point. It's like, maybe think about what you're putting well, what you're putting out there, and if the police already said they've looked into it and that's not elite, then move on. And if you don't have enough information, like this is another thing too, the wa have to keep your money. People. If you don't have enough information to explain the sighting to the police, then don't. Then what are we going to do with that, you know, because we'll get a message that's like I saw a guy, you know, a bald guy in the middle of the intersection a week ago over here. I can't remember what time, I can't remember what he was wearing. And then we're like, okay, well we can't we can't do anything with that. You know, Like if you can't remember the time, what he was wearing, or the location or anything, and you can't you don't have enough information to report it to the police. Then we don't have enough information to report it to the police. And like follow up, you know, so I'm sure you guys got stuff that like that too, that was just vague and like no details, and you're like, all right, so what about you know exactly? And I think that's it's a good learning it's like a lesson learned basically, and even for everybody out there that wants to help, like, yeah, we love the help, Like families have the missing We need your help. Yeah, we need you to keep your eyes open. But there's just a couple of things that are really important, like gathering specific details, having specific information enough to give police if it's too vague. We you know, I know it might be a pain, but maybe look a little bit more into it first. Yeah, before you guys send us a big long thing that we have to like scour all our details through and like you. Exactly, and so I think the best way to help to is really just continue to spread awareness, to continue to share the flyers, the posters, the social posts. I know you have a Facebook group by Dan Davis. By Dan Davis. My mom is running that Facebook page like the Navy. She is. She's incredible, She isn't crazy, she is well, she's been a crazy Facebook mom for twenty years, but this is this is her moment. So she was built for this. Yeah, it has almost like fifty thousand members, which we would have never like. I remember when we when she first made that page and it first got like a thousand or something. My mom was like, oh my god, a thousand people and it just kept going. And I think when I started posting my tiktoks and those blew up, then like overnight the page also got another twenty thousand. It was just like insane. So yes, find Dan Davis is where he is like a big general hub with like daily updates. It has suggestions of how people can help. It has a link in the description to like this public folder of all the information of my dad, like his timeline, a map, sightings and fats all that stuff, so all of the information is on that page. It's a good centralized thing, absolutely, and that's incredible. Like that's what I always tell my families, and like what the families that I work with that I have a missing loved one is create like a Facebook group, yes, or Facebook page, make sure you pat something, website, live tree, something, just a centralized place that has all of the information that they need, documents, anything that you have that'll be helpful for anyone that may have a fighting or wants to help or wants to search. So that that's great that you guys did that rightway. That was like a step one thing. Like we were. We noticed right away how many people wanted to help, and there was a lot of the same questions. And my mom honestly made the Facebook group as something for like just our friends to like all go look at, and then we got random people from all over the world. Literally if there's people on that page from like Australia and Denmark and like whatever. Yeah, that was never the intention for it to be this like nationwide worldwide hub. It was mainly just for our friends to see who was where basically, but now it's this so yeah, but yeah exactly. That's like if you, you know, have a missing loved one and you notice right away that people are asking you a lot of the same things and want to help out, you've got to create some yes, like website, link tree or whatever something, yeah, or go to an organization that can help you. Know, there are a lot of organizations that can do that for you if you just don't have exactly a skill set to do it. My organization is one of the ignited projects do help. We do link trees, we do websites, we do any type of digital asset, and that we do. We provide guidance to for missing persons passes. So uh, that's what we're doing now. But a lot of families don't know. They just simply don't know because there isn't. A rule book. No, it's way you're one of those missing. Yeah, like here's here's this guidebook here, and it's like it's like people go missing all the time. But despite that, it's still like a situation that you never would think would happen to you. It feels like such a random, crazy, rare thing. But like like CPD, like the one unit that's helping us. They get like hundreds of calls about missing people like a week, and it's like, it's insane, how how much or how often this happens. I didn't even realize it does. And you know, I went through it too. I mean, I'm in this space. I work in his space every single day. I never would have imagined it would have happen to my own family. No, And then when it did happen, luckily, I just when I realized that it was serious and I was like, Okay, this is serious. I know what to do. This is what we have to do, and just this switch flipped in my brain like Okay, we can't. We can't be sad right now. We have to get on this. We the same way ABC and D. We straight to it. Yeah, we have we have to get to it. There's no time to be sad right now. We to stay focused. But you know, unfortunately it did. It didn't turn out the way that we were hoping. And it's unfortunate because that is the case in a lot of missing person's cases. But there are a lot of missing persons cases that our happy endings. I know. Yeah, I'm getting comments from people on my videos and stuff saying like my dad or my whoever was missing for over a year and we found him in a like a homeless community in another state because he forgot who he was and had dementia that we didn't know about and whatever, And honestly, that's best case scenario for my dad, Like, like we're praying that he is. Obviously we want him to be in a hospital or an institution that you taken care of. But like that, like you know, we're prepared for any outcome. We're very aware of the worst case scenario, and we're ready for you know, God forbid that to be the case for us. But yeah, I mean, like, yeah, again, I'm just seeing somebody comments from people just saying that they found them in a situation they would have never expected, And I'm like, all right, well that gives me hope at least, I guess no news is somewhat good news in a way. Yeah, I don't know. Well, even in this situation too, it's like we only went through it for a couple of weeks. You know, you guys have any been going through it for months and it's just hard, you know what. Weeks feels like months though, I remember the first few weeks of ours, I was. Like it felt yeah, it really did. Like January was the longest year ever. Yes, I was like, seriously, so long. It's insane. It's crazy because you don't it's like at some point you just want you just want to know, you know, like even after weeks, you're just like, I can't keep doing this every single day. Oh, yes, this is crazy. It's like the lack of sleep and even for me, I'm still catching up, Yeah, from January. Like this, the lack of sleep and the constant Google go and like the adrenaline always your adrenaline is constantly going. And then every time your phone rings, Oh my god, is that an update? Yeah, what did something happen? Like what's law enforcement officers? This? Oh it's okay, cool, And I'm just casually talking with like an SBIH on a Wednesday. This is my job, but this is my listop or then journalists are calling you yes, and it's it's just insane. And I do want to talk a little bit about We'll talk about this in a little bit, but I want to touch on some of the things that are. Told like to the media first before the families even hear it. Like, I don't know if you guys have went through any of that yet, but we did, and so it's definitely something I want to touch on because I had journalists like reach. Out about specific information before we. And you're like, we'll know about it, and like, excuse me, yeah, and I mean they were very nice, but yeah, that's it's like that should not be how things are going. We should be hearing from the detectives first. Give the detectives time to talk to us first before we publish it. So yeah, so it's definitely a problem, and it's it's not the first time. Well I personally went through with my family, but I've heard from other missing people. Yeah, the people unfortunately doesn't surprise me. But I hate to say it. I'm trying to think if that has happened to us like we've been. I mean, I hate saying this out loud because nobody, almost nobody is as fortunate as we are in our case. But I mean, we've been very lucky with law enforcement, and I have a great relationship with our lead detective and we call each other, you know, every other day to update on what they're doing. And my dad went missing in a very like awkward area of Chicago too. It's like right on the edge of Chicago's city proper, and then there's a bunch of small that's where like the South suburbs start. So all the like smaller police departments like all set Marnette Park, Blue Island, Worth and whatever, they're all working together too, And I mean this is like the biggest thing that any of those small police departments have ever had to deal with down there, or like one of one of the biggest cases. So they're all super invested in always working. So luckily we've been in great communication since the start. I'm trying to think if there's ever been a case where media has asked me about something where I'm like, huh, I don't think so, just because I mean, like, yeah, I think that's mainly just because we haven't had any update. Like literally, Okay, the moment we found out that my dad was officially missing was like after all of those sightings had occurred on rain cameras and stuff, so like on November twenty sixth, that's still when we were like kind to finding out, and my dad had already been at the church that day like the last sighting, so like we started the search, we notified media, dah da da da, like all of that happened like after all of his his storyline, like you know what I mean, Like we were still finding out. So there hasn't been any update since we found out that he was missing, if that makes sense. Like, so there wasn't any additional one for me. Yeah, there wasn't, like, like I know, in. Your case, it was like, oh, there's a street camera of Linda walking towards the lake or like here, oh we found our car like stuff like that, Like none of that has really, unfortunately taken place with us. We got the bodycam footage from the car crash response like over a month ago or something from Cook County, and that was a pretty big update, even though it didn't tell us anything about where he was. But that was sent straight to us, and luckily I watched it first and then I sent it to our family and then my mom posted like a small clip of it on Facebook. But within like ten minutes, ABC called me and was like, hey, we saw the body cam footage. Can we do it? And I'm like sure, like so I think that was the only thing that yeah, like literally the only. Updates well, and I mean that's a good thing. They haven't experienced anything that it is. I hate to say it, but like, I mean, I know that's a I can imagine that's a big issue, especially with a case like yours that was like constantly evolving and you have to keep up with everything. And it's crazy because even with ours, like Linda's case worked viral really quick. Yeah, and then there were all the conspiracies and like the who dumb it? And then you know, pointing at my uncle Antoine, and we knew that it wasn't him, and there was information that we knew. Yeah, we had already talked to the detectives about but we didn't share that yet. Like at this point, we already knew that she was seen, yeah, on footage, but we couldn't share that yet. Like, yeah, you know, there's certain things that you don't want to jeopardize an investigation, Yeah, especially when it's your loved one, Like just in general, you don't want to do that. Yeah, And there's so many like there's so much confidential stuff that like maybe will get released eventually, but it's not essential for the public to know right now. And I know what you mean with the conspiracy theory, people. I luckily it's cooled down a little bit for us because most folks know about the case that are keeping up with their facebooks. But like when we first started this, that like that's why the comments are off on the fine Dan Davis page. By the way, if like we get a lot of comments like why are your comments off? How is this productive? And I'm like, well, it's because the comments are, especially in the beginning of comments were mostly conspiracy theorious misinformation prayer emojis, questions that we answered fifty thousand times, and it's like it's to keep everything streamlined to like factual information that's on the page, so it doesn't start like a frenzy. But I yeah, people will just like be like I think he did this and this, and something's telling me. The families not being whatever, like this case is rubbing me the wrong way. The daughter definitely knows something like they're they're they're because we have a gofund me and they're like they're just trying to keep the money or whatever, and I'm like, it's like crazy, it's so it gets it's it's nice, it's insane. We went through it too, and then I had to be the smokesperson and like, say, okay, listen. When I was able to release the information because I was waiting, I was like, man, I cannot wait until I can at least, you know, put out a statement or something, because then that takes such a. Toll on my like I'm your family. Yeah, And it was taking a toll on my family big time because then all of I mean granted, any coverage is coverage at that point, you know, when you're you know. I was like in that too. I was like, well, you're watching the videos are. Right, But at the same time, it's like for me, I have thicker skin because I'm used to this, but my family was not. They I was like, just stay off social media, don't go on there. I got it. I'll handle it. Yeah. I don't even give any thought or energy to any of those. Yeah, I don't read. I don't read the comments sections that aren't from posts that we posted directly, like like if Fox News posts a clip of our segment on the Fox News Facebook page, like those comments under the news channels facebook pages are crazy. They're like have they looked in the last place in the place he was last scene? Have they checked the water? Just evade the water. There was one comment from somebody. Somebody said, have you checked outside? Have you looked outside? Like literally just outside was the suggestion, and I was like, no, actually, no, think of that. We've actually only been looking indoors. I never would have ever thought to check the outside of the building. I was like, I know, it's it's good, it's crazy. TikTok investigator University. Yeah, like, I know, it gets a little wild. And then you have people that are really really they they really genuinely mean well, yes, and I can tell I give them the credit they mean well, but sometimes it's just like it's not helpful, it's really not fun. I know, I'm not here to complain about peoples suggestions. Like we get a lot of the same suggestions nowadays because we've done everything, and I it's just the hy are like bizarre off the wall ones. Yeah, and then they you know, then there's the attacking. It's like yeah, and then the crazy weird conspiracy that like they're creating their own like. They wanted to be more interesting, so bad. Yeah, I'm like, I'm sorry, it's not as interesting. I know. I was like this, I'm like, none of this is true. This is a good script. You should send this to Warner Brothers. I like, whatever you're making up right now is actually more exciting than what were you like with so yeah, but let's stick to the fact, right. So, but yeah, that's I really wanted. To touch on on some of that stuff though, because even with like like I said, with the information being lately so for us, it was the autopsy results. It was Linda's autopsy results. We did not we were waiting. We were waiting. You didn't get that first day we I actually heard from a journalist. It was a journalist that called why wouldn't what is the And They're like, hey, you know, I'm sure you I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure you know about the autopsy results. And I'm like, let me stop you there, No, I know, pause, I don't. It's like, oh, I'm so sorry to be the first one to tell you this. And then just like and then and had said you know what the results were, and my heart sank into my stomach because I was like, oh my. God, that's insane. In that moment, did you know that she was already passed on or was this the moment that you Yeah, so we had finding out how. Yeah, right, so we had already found her at that point, and so we were just trying to find out. Even more insane if that's how they broke the news to you, like, yeah, you okay. Yeah that's how. That's that's all we found out. And I just happened to be at my inlast house. I was that was there, and I stepped away to take the call, and yeah, I had to like break the news that way. So and that was just not the way that we want to happen. And I'm not blaming like the police or the tech detectives or anything. Obviously the information got leaked, but it's just things like that should not happen. No, that should not happen. And so that's another thing that I'm I'm trying to work on to see if there's any way to like pass some type of legislation or something. I don't know, I don't know what can be done, but something needs to do. Yeah, it's not okay exactly, especially in these circumstances. I assume it was Chicago Polis. I was leading your case. Yeah, well yeah, I mean, and you know, I don't have any complaints. I mean, they were they were good, you know, I mean obviously. I think there's always room for improvement. You know, even for us, there there were things we did right. There were things we could have done better. They know totally, but we didn't know anything. We still are learning, right, and so you're just trying to do your best. We know they're trying to do their best. We're trying to do our best, right. So that's just that's another reason why I'm starting, you know, the program in my aunt's name, to like bridge that gap and to make sure like other families don't have to go through that, because that was it's not it's not something I wish I would wish on anybody. Yeah. So, And it was so crazy connecting with you because I remember during the time that we were looking for Linda, like so many people had reached out. They're like, you should connect with Monny Davis. And I had heard about your dad's Yeah, I was so and like consumed in my aunt's case. I was like what we were consumed in ours? And I heard about Linda and I was like, oh my god, like two crazy things happening at once, and like I was never worried about and like, right now there's like the Nancy Guthrie case happening, which is like a totally not at all the same aess what we went through, but still but yeah, and I saw yours blow up at the same time, and we kind of helped each other out, honestly because we were kind of bound that our stores are kind of bouncing off each other in the media and a lot of comments were like do you think this was connected to Dan and like Davida, And I was like, oh, well, it's kind of like, I mean, nothing is good about what's happening, but I'm just saying, like we kind of right, you know, but it's. Just crazy that both of our family's cases like went viral, like in the Chicago area. It's not something that happens often. You know, like a lot of missing persons cases, especially in Chicago, there's so many of them. Yeah, they don't get a lot of meetings. You know, a lot of yours blew up. Because I still don't know why, you know, I think part of it. I think there's a couple a couple of factors and why it did. I think the first thing was, honestly, mean, knowing what to do and getting on it right away, doing the fly or reaching out to media. I have a lot of connections in this space, so people already sharing and spreading the word. So it went. It started to go viral pretty quickly, and then the new station started reaching out. But then I think what helped it. Like like really go over the edge, because honestly, the conspiracy theories, like everybody's saying that, you know, yeah, Edwine did something to my ear and. That's how Unfortunately, that is how I found out too. It was on tikti. Like it wasn't like a hateful video or anything. It was just like an ABC News video and then all the comments were like we all know what happened or so I was like reading it, I was like, huh interesting, whatever next video like whatever. But yeah, so unfortunately, like we I mean, obviously we don't want conspiracy theories, we don't want people spreading this information, but it definitely helps get more coverage. I mean, then Nancy Grace took it over, and yeah, and I was asked to be on Nancy Grace too. My my in laws were supposed to be on and they just at the time it was just too much. And so by the time they had reached out to me, and by the time I saw the message, it was it had already happened, and I was like, oh, sorry, you know, but I had talked to so many media outlets, see the Tribune, in the Chicago Sun Times, all of the news stations did podcasts on it. So we got we did, we. Got a lot of coverage really really quickly, and then you know, it's it's crazy. I've seen a lot of people too, when even in the most recent article and the Tribune with with tests who had interviewed me, she came here just amazing, but she actually asked, She's like, you know, I know one of the biggest issues with missing persons cases is demographics too, like who gets the coverage and who doesn't. And I was like, she's like, can we talk about it? I was like please, because it is an issue, and I am very well aware that my aunt is a white woman, you know, Chicago public school teacher. So there's I mean, she fit the mold to be able to get all the media coverage in addition to everything we were already doing. Yeah, like that was like her main description is like missing CPS teacher, and I think that is what grab a lot of attention to, which is like I don't know's I picture that as an advantage on your own? Yeah, it was something too. Yeah, well, totally care and it's and it's weird to talk about it in that sense, but when you have a missing person's case, you need as much coverage as possible, you know, and so when you get it, it's it's a great thing because you're like, Okay, more people are gonna help, You're going to get more more eyes on on this case and more people looking for her. Yeah, but I'm very well aware that there are so many cases and even in Chicago, that don't get any media coverage. They don't get on the news, they don't get an article, they don't get you know, the Tribune and the sometimes sometimes reaching out and coming to their home and things like that. So you know, I realize that that's that's an issue, and I think that's another reason I'm trying to start more local. Even in my organization is helping local cases as many as I can. You know, obviously we're we're a very small organization and it's just me and my very small team Rosen Sam Love. But yeah, it's it's a problem. Yeah, it's an issue. But I think that's That's something that's come. Up a lot too, is like, well, you know, why do you think Linda got more coverage than you know, these other cases? And yeah, I do have to remind them too, like I think, you know, yes, that is a factor? Is it is? But I'm already in this space. I already knew what to do. I already had the connections. I was already putting it out there. Yeah, and then people are intrigued not only by Linda's story, but they're intrued by mine, you know. And I didn't want this to be about me at all. I didn't. Yeah, that was the one thing I was like, I really, I don't want it to be about me. I sat to talk about Linda. Let's I related to that. Because I'm I also like, I'll publicly ask like, I don't know why people care so much about my dad. I don't know why this is blown up as much as it has whatever whatever, And a lot of people either comment back or they'll tell me and they're like, honestly, a lot of it is you. Like you, The way you're telling the story is engaging. You're real and an interesting person. Supposedly, I don't know where you are I'm just I'm just the lead. Like the way you tell the story is interesting, and it's also just the fact that your dad is just an ordinary normal fairly. I don't I almost said uninteresting. He is interesting. I mean, like he's not he's not a celebrity, he's not like any like any kind of high profile whatever. He's just a normal guy, normal guy that can just vanish supposedly. So yeah, and I I mean, yeah, so the majority of like why your aunt's case blow up is because you were doing most of the leg work with the media and reaching out to people and the news and whatever. And I think that was I mean, that's still the case with us. Is like your case isn't just going to magically go viral like by luck. It's like we were doing the work for that to happen. So like, I mean, I think the dad I don't remember how the like ABC, like the big news outlets were immediately notified. I think it was when the missing person's report was created by CPD, because then with everyone's missing person's report, they like the police department sends it out automatically to the news stations and just like places that print out flyers and put them in public spaces, Like I don't know what those are called it. I don't know how the news networks pick and choose which stories they want to actually cover. But I mean as soon as that happened, like we had a huge gathering at Bourbon Street on Black Friday, which was two days after he officially went missing, and it was like one hundred people. It was all my dad's closest friends, a lot of my close friends that had never met my dad were there, and a lot of the news outlets were there to interview me in person. And I was like, how's the news here? When I was so confused, But at the time, I was just like, just go with it, just do what we need to do. And I'm still saying yes to like everything anything that can get us, even if it's like a tiny local news outlet paper or whatever that wants to cover my dad's story, and like, yes, let's chat whatever, Like anything that we can share is great. But yeah, I mean yeah, And when I started making my tiktoks and my videos online, that really helped us because the first couple of videos I posted, the first one got like what like two million views in a day or something, and then the next one now has like almost eight million, like and I don't know. Again, I don't know why those blew up so much. Maybe it's the way I'm telling the story, maybe it's the mystery of the vanishing or whatever. But staying consistent with that type of stuff and like making videos even when there's not much of an update to share, which is like now I I'm you know, telling stories just about my dad and about his personality and uh, answering questions and doing stuff like this like fine Dan Day weekend, which I guess maybe talk about Yeah, just having something to talk about even if it's like not a huge update, to stay consistent with that so that people keep his name in their mind. And a lot of news networks reached out to me because they saw my videos online and because they went viral. They're like, hey, that's why your TikTok. Do you mind if we do a quick story about this whatever, Like People Magazine called me randomly and like so, yeah, a lot of it, like a lot of publicity is because of the family doing the like work to keep it out. So that's not just gonna happen to you. It's like you know you, yeah, you have to go with it. Well, that's that's the thing too. Even for me, it was a little stressful because I would have a new lot stressful. I would have like a news station reach out and they're like, oh, we can come to you in two hours, you know, have an interview, and I would have money home. I know, I wouldn't be home, and then I would come home like like a crazy person and like, all right, we family, you gotta stick you gotta stick together. We gotta pitch and everyone needs to pitch it. We need to get this house squared away, ready, studio ready to go for the news crew that's gonna come. And so I never said no, Yeah, I never, And I was like I cannot say no. That's the thing, Like, don't say no. I know it may be inconvenient, but if it's going to get more exposure, then that's that's what you have to Yeah, And it's it's not easy to say yes to everything. You know, there's stays where you're just really exhausted and you're tired and you're like can I do this today? Mentally and emotionally, it's a little it's overwhelming. It's like, well, if I say no, then they might not get back to me again, and they would eastinate another big opportunity to like get a bump in. Yeah, and that's another thing, is like when it the news stops talking about it, you don't want them to stop talking about it. You know especial will eventually, but like, yeah, if you don't have anything to update on, got to keep putting it out there. Do whatever you have to do. And I think what you're doing too is is another reason that's helped the case go viral. And like you said, it's just the storytelling, but you're allowing people to connect with your dad in a way that you know, like it allows them to emotionally get connected, like they personally know him. Sure, And I think that's what helps, Like when you're making him an actual person, Yeah, you know he is a person, but when people hear about stories and stuff online, Yeah, a lot of times that factor. Kind of gets pushed into connect to that. It's like you realize, this is a real person and this is a real family, right, But when you're able to tell stories like that, you explain the type of thing exactly. Yeah. And I've made a couple of videos now where I've attached like some just silly videos of my dad and I goofing off and like throwing food at each other or like right, like just laughing about something. And when I posted my first video of all of that, all the comments were like, I'm so glad you did this because your dad reminds me so much of my dad, and like, now I understand what type of person he is. He's just goofy, He's just I can whatever. And I was like, I do not do this so much sooner, like I posted that first video of him, like I just silly videos of him, I think, like a month into the investigation, and I was like, I should have done this like first thing, so people like know who he is right away, but you were yeah, yeah exactly, Yeah yeah, because because when you see missing person, all you see is their face on the poster, and it's so it's hard to like connect and like fully care if you don't know who they are you know what? So yeah exactly. And it's the same thing with Linda too, Like every time, like a news outlet would ask me, like you know what is so special about Linda? What what is one thing that you loved about Linda? And it was her laugh. Like everyone would tell me like or I would tell everybody was always her laugh like always she had the most unique, most ridiculous laugh that you like, I'm not kidding. It was like the fast job, like the viral Justin bieber Clippers being interviewed and he's like, I like your laugh. But just imagine her is like really loud, like really loud. You can hear it from half of state literally could. Like that's the first time I met Like, yeah, because I'm Linda. Is my aunt bi marriage like I'm for my husband, so from my husband's side. So I met her when I was only eighteen years old, so I've been in the family for over twenty years, okay, And I remember the first time, the first time I heard that laugh, I was like, what. What was that? Yes, and I start laughing because I'm like, what what is guyjus it is courtagious and it's just. My dad's got the funny. It's similar to he'll have like if something makes him laugh out of nowhere, he'll go like You'll like, he'll have like this yell and then like when it gets laughing really hard, he'll just like kind of crumple and grabble onto something and it's like silent, like silent laugh where he's. Like like but it's like soly dramaic. Am I really out there? Yeah? So I posted one video recently of my dad like in the very beginning of the video he does like kind of laugh. And I think it's important too to share videos of what you're missing. Love. One sounds like like the way they talk and laugh and whatever in case you hear them or talk to them, and but like you know, in public or something. I unfortunately just don't have that many videos of him talking. Like I would press record and my dad is doing something stupid and like he wouldn't be talking. Made me just like whatever you're doing, yeah, and then I'd stopped and that was it. So I only have like two videos of my dad actually like talking like a normal Cuman bank. But well, and that's something that her yeah, definitely her laugh. And you know, it's it's sad because you realize, like it was the same thing with us. We didn't have a lot of video, yeah, of Linda, Like we have pictures and stuff, but even the pictures it was like more like group photos. Yeah, and I was like, oh my gosh, like us going to Michigan. Yeah, you know, like there wasn't a lot of intimate or like videos because I'm all smiling at because I think too, just like Linda was in her fifties and she wasn't tech savvy. She didn't like, she wasn't big in phones and photos and all of that and videos. But now it's like I do it with my kids. I've always been that way with my kids, where I'm like, I need to be more like that with my the rest of my family, and like for you know, yeah right, yeah, like you we're taking videos, We're going to take more pictures. Yeah, I'm feel the same way too. And I'm trying to find good pictures of my dad to share for whatever. And I'm and I was going through photos and videos of him, and like I said, you know, like every moment I spent with him, we're just being stupid. And I'm thinking, I'm like, if I could go back in time and tell my dad that in a year, I would be needing to find a picture of him for his missing person's poster. And every picture I have of him is him being a dickhead. Like every picture I have him is like us at at lunch and he's like like like just him making a dumb face. Yeah, I'm like, Okay, I have two pictures of my dad smiling. So those are what we're using, I guess. So. But it's things like that to write you don't think about, you know, it's like what what information would I need? Like what if I am missing? What would my husband need? How would he be able to act? It would be my picture exactly. I mean it's. Things like that. And that's another thing I'm working on too, is like having basically like an entire kit of all the information that you would need, like all the information we didn't have. And that's the thing too. Liked we didn't have a lot of good pictures, Like a lot of them were picts waited because Linda took a lot of pictures on her phone and she didn't have like the best bone because she didn't care. Yeah, it wasn't important to her. Same with Antoine, they didn't it wasn't right deal. So but yeah, like information, same thing with Linda. There was information that Antoine didn't have access to him because she handled all the bills and all the things, and like he's struggling with that. You didn't deal with that, so he had no idea what passwords were and how to get into like what websites were, And yes, all that would have been so helpful because we would have been able to access information, very important information sooner if we would have had it, I had would have had access to it. I have a lass. Were you ever and you don't have dances, but were you ever able to like get access to her data and find any clues and like her accounts and stuff that might be would have told you where she was or where or what she was going through in her head or anything? Or was that just kind of not We were. Really close to getting information, but we were by the time we were getting closer to like accessing her information, like the police were able to Okay, so you never even not to access into Yeah, we never had to access it. But the police had that point had already found her car and they we're like, okay, all right, it's moved. Yeah yeah, And then they found the footage and we're like, okay, this is good, We're on the right track. Like yeah, that's the. Thing too, because it's really hard and then even the police have to follow protocol, like they can't just get access to certain things exactly. People think that's something that people online, Like a lot of my comments early on were like, have you checked his bank statements? And we still can't his bank account because we're not on the account, and there's there's that's they will not release them. They can't. You can't even go into a Chase and ask the teller. I like, I have my dad's bank account, I have his routing number, his account number, like wherever. I'm so scared I've all my dad's information. If I walk in and I'm like, hey, here's all my dad's info, would you be able to just tell me if he's used his card since this date? They can't. They can't pull up anybody's bank account and just look at it, even if nobody's there. They're like a bank tellers by themselves, So like, let me look at this person. That's like so against the rules. Yeah, especially now like with like a viral get like everyone knows who my dad that is, and like the Chase manager and the Chase branch that we last went to was like, I really I know about your dad's case. I really really want to help you. But at this point, like unfortunately, with how high profile this is it would be like me looking at like Bill Gates' is a peck again made me like it's like they would know and I would get in trouble. Yea. So it's it's crazy, it's insane, it's ms. The processes, I mean, and that's frustrating too, it scause you're like, man, if. We could just know, like what was the last job was there? There was one. Obviously I'm not going to out her or anything, but there was one Chase employee at a certain Chase branch that did help us early on, and I was like, she knew about the case. I brought a flyer and she was around my age, and she had like whatever I could tell. She was like a cool old girl, and I was like, she's gonna help me. It's like if it was an old lady, I'd be scared, but she was cool and she like, for the first couple of times I went into that Chase, she was able to pull up his account and just say yeap, nope, no activity since November twenty second is the date that we were last told. So she was super cool in doing that for me when she's not supposed to, and we only asked her twice because the third time I've tried to come in like a month or so after I'd last seen her, we were intercepted by the by the manager of that chase as I was walking towards the girl, and she's like, hey, can I help you, And I'm like we were we were busted. But yeah, no, that's a great like the thing to know, like like just to be ready with before you have a loved one go missing, God God forbid. You know, it's just like you never know if you're going to need access to your loved one's accounts or not. Not like you don't need to have their password, but like maybe. Like I like, yeah, you know, like password login is to share access to like call logs or just stuff like that. A location with your parents on your phone. You know. My dad had an and a Samsung and he was not signed up for any Samsung tracking, location, Google Location Track, none of that. He doesn't have any Apple products, so no like air tag, no nothing. And like, had he had he had just one one key thing in his phone that we could try, we still know where his phone is. Had he had like one thing for us to keep track of, like this would have been so much quicker. So that's yeah, that's a great thing to put in your rule book. Yeah, is like you know, share at least a little bit of stuff with you know your level, right, like certain pertinent instormation. That makes sense to share obviously, But yeah, that was another thing is like so many people, even Nancy Grace was like talking about why don't they have tracking or like something. Why didn't Linda have something like tracking on her phone? Why did her and her husband share that? It's like not everybody has that like I do. Like me and my family have Life three sixty. That's free, and I always recommended. I recommend that we're not sponsored by like three sixty, but if you'd like to, you like to. But we use it. We've been using it for years. All my kids have it on their phones. We know where they're at. And I love it because it tells us where they're at. It tells me when they're driving, whether it's a risky drive. Like it's like it's funny because it shows like the little like my husband too, it's he's mostly from risky driver oay, not my kids luckily, so but yeah, like I know it'll tell me how fast they're going like whether it's a risky drive and I love it because it shows like the little car and it's like it's going really fast with the little like it's the little room room in the back and red like you can see the clouds. And I was like, Okay, good dude, risky drive, buddy, slow it down there. Fun But I mean it does. It's a great tool. It's great. And again it's great. We don't pay for it. But stuff like that, simple things like that are just helpful, even if you're just sharing, like with your friends, significant other. Even my kids like friends, cousins, all of them, they share on life through sixties so they know where their location is and so I'm never worried about not knowing where they're at. But that's not the case with like with my aunt. Yeah, they just they're not tech savvy, like even my parents that they don't. Put an air tag in your dad's wallet, put a you know, like something that they don't have to pay attention. To whatever that they don't have to think about, they don't have to keep up with. Yep, just something simple. But it's it's so important because even if you never think it's going to happen to you you never know. You just never know, and it's better to be safe than sorry. And then when you're in this situation, it's things like this that you don't think about, like, oh my god, we didn't know that we wouldn't be able to access this, or this is going to prolong this whole investigation or prolong us from finding them, and just little things like that exactly that makes it really difficult. So in terms of your dad too, it's was he did he have any medical conditions or anything like prior was there anything going on. Not that we knew of. I So my dad was the type of person that has literally not even spoken to a doctor, probably since I was born in a hospital. Like literally he does not go to the doctor. He doesn't go to the dentist, he doesn't he's never had a surgery. He like got stitches once since I was born. And maybe that's it, Like literally he does not. So there could have been some like I'm sure he has some kind of medical condition that even he didn't know about, but like obvious like dementia or stroke like obvious things. No, And I've I've spoken to his closest friends, his manager, his closest closest coworkers that spend every waking minute with him, And I'm like, are you sure you haven't noticed anything weird with my dad in the last few months, like memory issues or like weird walking patterns or anything. And everyone's like no, Like he'll talk to himself sometimes and I'm like, yeah, that's him, like like he'll just whatever, but nothing's nothing obvious, no memory. Yeah, so it again, that's how we know that it was a sudden medical episode that happened at his apartment, like has to be a stroke, like me, we don't know for sure because we haven't found him. We don't know, but like there's literally no other explainit, Like it has to be a sudden like you know, so yeah, but no no metal history. I mean like his mom had a stroke, My grandma had a stroke with like twenty years ago or something. So it does run in our family and I wouldn't I would not be shocked at all if he had one, but yeah, we don't know. And then the car accident, like what happened. I know, I've seen some of the footage, but yeah, what happened with that they just let him go or what like what was the so. We're I mean, we're like ninety percent sure that the accident was my dad's fault because you know, we watched all the body cam footage. It was like an hours or the body cam footage we only released like a thirty second click just to protect everything. Yeah, but and the rest of the footage is fairly uneventful. So but we're pretty sure that my dad swerved into the other lane hit the other driver head on. And conveniently, the accident happened literally in the driveway of the Garden Homes Fire Department, like like, so so EMS was just there, like no one had to like, come, I just watch out of the Yeah, literally it was right there. So EMS did come out. They checked out the other guy. They were ready to look at my dad. Like my dad's spoke to an EMS like person and he was like, They're like, are you sure you don't need anything? You don't want to just get looked at real quickly. And my Dad's like, no, no, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm good whatever, And that's that's totally my dad. He waves everything. I was just like, nah, I'm good, I whatever. So yeah, so he and unfortunately, like if the person's not like visibly bleeding and injured and whatever. They can't like they don't know what my dad's baseline of behavior is, right, So, like it took a couple of watches for the bodycam footage, but me, my mom, and my dad's closest family, like a couple of my cousins, his siblings, we watched it and we noticed little details with my dad's behavior, Like we could tell there's a couple of words that he slurred. My dad couldn't fully remember how the accident happened, and the officer had to keep reminding him. They were like, no, no, don't tell me what they told you happened. Tell me what you remember. And my dad was like, oh, well, I'm pretty sure I was coming this way, and the officer was like, so from X road whatever, and he's like, I think so, so that's not like my dad. So there's little things, and then the the biggest thing is the clip that we released, which is when the cop drops him off at Bourbon Street and my dad like clearly trips up the curb and is having some kind of issue with his left leg that we noticed, and it's the same leg that he's having problems with the following day and all the videos of him walking around, we can tell like he's tripping over so left side of his body is having some kind of issue, and we can see that a little bit in the bodycam footage. And you know, of course, initially we're angry at Cook County Sheriff's apartment for not checking out. I mean, it's so hard because he denying medical treatment and they can't force that upon him. But the officer clearly saw my dad trip up the curb after he dropped him off, and didn't take the extra second to be like, hey, sure you're okay, man, or like walk him inside and at least explain to someone what happened or whatever. So it's hard to look past that moment and know that that could be that the car crash is the inciting incident of this entire missing case. And we watched that footage and it's hard to know that like that could have stopped right there. An officer just been like, you know what, man, I know you're saying no, but we just want to with let's just take a look at your eyes like something. I'm sure they're not allowed to do that, but it's hard to look past that so anyways, I at first we thought that he got a concussion in the car accident because we didn't know that he probably had a stroke beforehand. Like when we first found out that he was missing, we assumed that like maybe he was drunk driving, and which he's never done before. We're just make it work. I don't know, like we were maybe he was intoxicated and then got concussed, and now he's all sorts of messed up. And we know for a fact he was not intoxicated. He wasn't bleeding, there wasn't a bump on his space or anything. We know he didn't severely hit his head at least in the car accident. So the car accident's kind of, honestly, like it's kind of a freak coincidence in this whole situation because it didn't cause him to go missing. He was already suffering something before the car accident and we know that, so it just like an extra It was just an extra thing, and people were really focused. We were really focused on that. In the beginning. We're like, well, what happened in the car, And after looking at the footage, we're like, well, nothing, he was just we could tell he's a little shaken up and kind of confused, which is a little bit of a red flag. But the offer to the officer doesn't know how my dad acts normally. They don't know that maybe maybe my dad has a problem with his leg normally, maybe that's just how he talks, and you know, because it's it's not obvious. So, yeah, that's pretty much all the details we know about the accident and so. And that's kind of and now they're just in this position where it's just like still trying to get additional information or any additional sightings anything at this point, right, Yeah. It's we're kind of in the phase where we're like, i mean there's no detail. I mean, there's like literally no details that we've overlooked at this point. Like i mean, we've we've hit multiple walls where like we feel like we're on this really productive track. We're like, okay, cool, like this getting checked, this is getting checked, these cameras are getting looked at, this team is coming in to help us, DA DA, DA DA, And we'll have a week where there's like a lot happening, which is like this week is an example of that. We feel pretty productive right now, but I'm sure in two weeks we're gonna be like like it'll just sink down again and really horrible. Now what And it's those moments where we're like, oh god, what could we even do? Like we've done everything, and yeah, I mean the like, I just want to say, we are just as confused as the public is with how we've had no sightings, Like it's a complete vanishing situation. Even our like we have our lead detective has done so many missing persons cases and he has a lot of this. He's a really really good detective and we're working with county and the FBI and like whatever. Ever, all no matter how professional how experienced are law enforcement people are, they're just as confused as we are. They're like they're thinking of the most logical things. They're checking all the abandoned areas and all the wooded areas and everything around the spot that my dad was last known to be at, cause that's just they're focused on the facts that we know, and they're not like we can't just go rogue and look in Indiana some random place, like we don't know which direction on so but uh, yeah, it's a it's an agonizing like waiting game that I'm sure you understand where you're like, what can I do? I don't know where they went. I don't know what to even check. But it's kinda have to wait for someone to come forward and have a video that is him. And that's hard. The waiting is it sucks because you can't you don't want to just do nothing, right, I just sitting and doing nothing. We're doing stuff like this and like keeping his name out. But the other half of us is like got the waiting doing like kind of just waiting. Yeah, it's it's so it's such a weird, like I don't even know how to explain it. Yeah, like you just get in this weird. Like mode where it's like okay, like you're going and going, but like you're still stuck at that same time and you don't really know what to do, but you're doing everything you know you're supposed to be h And that's the hard thing too. And it was like that with us, you know, with Linda, we we did the search parties and we searched everywhere, like we searched the Holmost camp. We searched everywhere, and it's ironic where we found her was literally I mean we were so close to her, like our last day of search, we were so close. But whatever, and everyone one thing that they asked like, how did you not how did you guys not find her? Well, it's Lake Michigan, and it's huge. Maybe because it's the biggest lake, one of the biggest lakes in the like absolutely huge. And we're pretty confident that we had found Like a few of my friends actually they came for the last day of the search party and they we believe we found let us had like in the lake, and so that was something that you know, we were hoping it was. But and that ironically, when she was found, that was the only thing that was missing. So we were pretty sure that it was hers. But where she was found we couldn't access because it was like it was the docks private. Yeah, it's all private, like you have to have a key, you have like you have to own a boat to get to that area. But it turned out to be a blessing in disguise because where she was there was like stone and rock and everything kind of keeping her in that area. Otherwise, if she would have drifted out, we wouldn't we may have ever found her exactly and we never would have had closure, would have known. So that's that's the hard part. But that's the thing, like. She was we knew the area she was in, but that you never know. I mean in Chicago's so big. Yeah, you could walk down in one area of the lake front and go into a totally different neighborhood, venture off somewhere totally different, and people. Tell us who they're like check, like Michigan, Hey, okay, hey, how do you want me to do that? By the way, yeah, do you want good luck? We jumped right in and just put your goggles on and go look. Yeah, yeah sure, especially in winter, Yeah, oh easy. And I took a lot of I took some footage to want to be like me, the sassy people are trying to help. I don't it's not like terrible but like but but I mean seriously though, like and that's the thing with people that aren't from here. They were asking a lot of questions too about the lake, like oh well, so I was taking a lot of footage of the lake so people can see the lake front because it's really dangerous, but it's really easy to fall, like there's no barrier, there's no nothing. It literally goes from sidewalk bamp right to the water, and it's like that throughout the entire lake. So people jump in it all the time for fun summer. I do. So it's easy. Yeah. I mean when we were searching too, so windy and so cold that I was like, I was afraid to walk along it. Yeah, it'll push you, it'll push you right in. Yeah, it's so it's not a safe No, you have to be really really careful. But I mean at this point, that's the thing, Like, your dad could be anywhere, I mean really like and that was the same thing with Linda. We're like, man, if she's still on foot, she could be anywhere anywhere in the city. She could be on the south side, she could be Yeah, who knows, Ye, who knows. So even the most you know, experienced detectives too, like that's the hard part because they can only they're only going to look at the facts. Yeah, they're not gonna tragic happen. It's not. Yeah. People watch like I don't know, like like crime, true crime TV shows and movies and you know see like, oh, well we tracked the location of his Da da da, and we use this technology and facial recognition blah blah blah, and it's like, hang on, half more than half that crap is not real or not actually used in this case scenario or whatever. And it's like everyone's asking whereas, well, where did this phone last ping? And I'm like, well, at his apartment the day before he went missing. We don't know what. I didn't even say that. We don't know really what happened with his phone because it was like on during the crash, the car crash wherever, you can see him scrolling through his phone, but like he's clearly having troubles with it. So we're thinking like some kind of sim card issue, maybe it's on airplane motor like whatever, like we can't anyways, but yeah, but. That's the thing too, Like everyone was asking about Linda's phone too. It's like just pa their phone, Okay, but it's not. It's not that simple. Yeah, the police can't just ping the phone. You have to reach out to the provider and get access and then there's there's a whole process. It's actually, yeah, it's not an instant thing. And luckily, like our case, they were able to do it like the next day, which was cool, but still it didn't tell us anything. Really, Yeah, well we have the phones off or it's oftening, it's it's definitely bricked. Now I have no idea where this phoneoud be. But spectators just thinking that we're capable of all this hidden technology and magic, like you know, it's like it's really not how it works and everything is. Even if you want to get camera footage from somewhere, that can take like a day and a half because nobody knows how to work their cameras. No one's cameras where I'm sure you have struggle with that. Too, Like that was so frustrating, the cameras that didn't work where there there were no cameras, like which made no sense because when Linda was crossing the bridge, there was cameras there. There was like two cameras. One camera got hurt and that's the footage that they were able to see. But after the bridge there are no cameras and there really is nowhere to put a camera. Yeah, it's like the ever put it on the bridge. Yeah, but that'd be weird, like it's just weird angles. Yeah, but there's nowhere else because then it goes to like this weird like kind of off path. Is by what harbor was it? Is it a diversity harbor or what? Like what part of the lake. So it was thirty thirty first Street. Oh, never thirty first Street harbor. Yeah, I thought I was way north. Sorry, yeah, so yeah, I don't know that they're in. Yeah, it was. It was kind of a weird area. But there were no there were no cameras. And there's no cameras by the lake front either. There's no cameras there. Yeah. So and everyone's like why is there no camera? I don't know what They're gonna put it on a tree? It like there, it's not like a yeah. Yeah, And like city Chicago does have flot cameras and everything downtown and on streets and everything, but in Blue Island where my dad went missing, there are no like street cameras. It's not that there's licensed plate reader cameras, and there's a couple of flot cameras and other surrounding towns, but it's not like the city of Chicago, like downtown where where everywhere? Yeah, and other two people are like, well, check the street cameras and they have facial recognition, And first of all, no, they don't. No. The second of all, there's no street cameras. So that's why we're like going to McDonald's asking to look at their cameras, and the McDonald's manager is like, well, I don't know. It hasn't worked in five years. I don't think they're connected. And I'm like, isn't that that's the most frustrating. I literally can't. It's not literally you have cameras yet oh oh they're dead. Yeah, oh the wires got eaten. You're like, you're freaking kidding me. Yeah, it's it's insane. But I mean, these are just the frustrations. It's like talking through the frustrations as a family that's gone through missing person's case, and there's so many of them. But that's the thing, it's like how how do people really help? Right? So we know what doesn't help, but what does help? We know sharing flyers and like you said, yeah, Find Dan Day or missing Yeah, so tell us about that. Sure. Yeah. So this weekend, so February twenty one and twenty two, we're doing a big nationwide Find Dan Day and it's both days of the weekend twenty one and twenty two. And we've got a wanting to do something like this for a while, which is just like a day or two. That's like everybody do something to help find my dad at the same time. So there's so many ways that people can help, and it's a nationwide thing because there's ways that people can help in other states too, because again, we don't know if my dad's in Indiana at this point or across the country or whatever. So yeah, so we have a bunch of people helping us on the ground this weekend and doing door to door stuff, putting up flyers, and we have a search and rescue team coming in from out of state that's helping us again, which is great, and I'll be walking around with them. A lot law enforcement will be out looking at So there's a lot of stuff happening on the ground. But then people can help in other states too by calling their local hospitals and their city in Wisconsin or wherever they live or whatever, and you know, sharing his flyers with homeless shelters in their state and calling local police departments and making sure they know about him. And like, do I think my dad is in you know, Missouri? No, Like we have no reason to believe, Like, no solidaries in a belief he's anywhere besides Chicago, honestly, and I hope he is still post by obviously, but yeah, so I mean even if people are busy this weekend or can't physically go out and help, like, there's so many like things that people can do remotely just by making calls or just just posting about it, just like posting his fire on your story, like so there's so many ways. So anyways, that's what we're doing this weekend. And I'm looking for a dacause we're gonna want you to do this for a while. And we've truly just been waiting for a weekend that is like above thirty degrees in Chicago, which like, funny enough, it's gonna be way colder this weekend than I thought it was gonna be. It's gonna be like, oh, well, this week has been so nice. I know that was like sixty's it's gonna be in the forties this. Weekend, and now it's not. And I'm like, well, we're already doing the fine dand day so we're myers. Sorry, but yeah, so we're looking forward to it. We have again, the news has been covering it. I was just on the news this morning and but that's also a big reason why we're doing it too, because like, my dad's case has not had any solid updates in like three months, and unfortunately just the way the news work, because I mean, they're not gonna talk about my dad's case in the news when there's nothing new to talk about like that, like that, they're not going to talk about saying story over and over and it sucks, but I get it. And so we're kind of doing this big fine nationwide Fine Dan Day as like just another way to get my dad back in the media. To be honest too, obviously, we want to look for and we want to help, you know, spread the word and everything. But it's great that the news has something else to cover now because now he's back up in the media like we had Fox, CBS, ABC. You'll be there tomorrow probably other people I don't know. So yeah, that's what we're doing and I'm looking forward to it. We have a lot of help. So yes, you can find all the information for it on a Facebook event. Even if you don't have Facebook, you can still look at the event, but it's uh, it's just called Fine Dan Day on Facebook, and then you can also look on our big, huge Facebook group which is just called Fine Dan Davis on Facebook, and yeah, that's the big one where there's daily updates posted and all the information about how you can help this weekend is in the event and I know this will be posted after it happens, but still I'll be documenting as much as I can. I want to see if I can make a little recap video of things that people did this weekend. I think that'll be fun. But yeah, and I'll make sure I put all the links and everything, Yeah, and how to connect in the description Max whether you're watching on YouTube or on any of the podcast platforms, if you're tuning in the night there. Yeah, so that's what we're doing. But today today's my press day, I guess is set up with this and everything. So grateful to still get the coverage that we are. Yeah. I was talking to some news reporters this week about the weekend and they were asking me about Nancy Gudrie's case, which I don't know if yeah, and it's uh these you know, They're like, have you been keeping up with this? And I'm like, oh, yeah, look I've heard a few, you know, I've obviously I've seen it. It's huge right now. And they're like, how do you feel about that happening at the same time as your dad's case. Do you feel like it might be kind of taken away some attention or whatever. And I'm like, honestly no, because that my dad's missing case is not a criminal investigation, like there's no person of interest. My dad didn't isn't running from any crime. There's no like kidnapping, like like so Nancy's case, like there's a kidnapping, there's ransom notes, there's all this insane like updates happening every day, and my NAT's case is fairly like He've been honest like, so I can't compare the two. Both are insane and Nancy's case is insane. My NAT's case is say, like whatever, And I'm grateful to still even be getting coverage at all because again, like we've been saying, like most missing people don't even end up on anything, and so yeah, I'm not going to complain if God forbid, somebody else gets the spotlight, Yes, please, this is what we want to happen. You know, at the end of the day, it's still somebody who's missing, it's somebody's loved one. So times the way that I look at it is like if you're getting if you're getting coveraged great, you know great. Yeah, and unfortunately those that aren't getting coverage, then we need to do something about it. Yeah. That's how people get found is you know the word as much as you can exactly. And that's why a lot of families to go so long without fighting their loved one because they're not getting the coverage. Yeah, and no one knows exactly problem. So but I think you're doing a great job. You're doing trying. You're doing everything that you silly. Little tiktoks and talking to the FBI every day like just casual life of a twenty seven year old girl. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm here for you too. You know, we've been trying to support as much as we can. Yeah, you've been amazing. She made these bracelets for us. Oh that's why that's roasted. An amazing job. Yet, Yes, we have our bracelets. I have my sign Dan Davis bracelets. I love. These are cue. I'm giving them to our like core team of searchers that have been helping us for this whole time. Get bad and and anyway, I know we've done the copy sleeves. We've done the the campaign, so anything anything. That fast, it goes out to yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, And you were doing that like in the wake of like your aunt as well, like right after the news broke, like you were contacting me about how you can help me, and I was like, aren't you morning, Like aren't are you still like dealing with your stuff too right now? I'm like, how are you even thinking about me? And I was like, I'm so still. I'm just like that's crazy. Well, I think for me, it's just naturally it's like get back to work or yeah, I'm just going to fall apart type thing, you know. So it's like if I don't laugh, I'll cry. Yeah, so I don't say moving, I'll just uh yeah, I've literally melted to the floor. Literally. We don't want that, and then I'm no use to anybody. So but for me, that's just that's where my brain goes. It's like, Okay, I gotta stay busy. Who else can I help? I know, That's why I was like, I love it. Who else can I help? Local? I really want to do more local here. Yeah, in my own community, in my own area. So because there's so there's so many people that need help too. Yeah, so many missing people. So I was like, Okay, what can I do now? Yeah, And I was like, okay, Dan Davis, Yeah, no, I'm reaching out to Wendy. I'm doing it. I know about that one. Yeah, I'm doing it. I know what can I do? So, yeah, I'm. Still trying to expand out right now, we're helping someone from Arizona. The family that reached out. I actually had quite a few families to reach out for assistance, so that you've been helping in the way that they want to be helped ends. So but yeah, we're working on it. And once we get Linda's program role and then yeah, that'll be amazing. So that's great, working on that. Hopefully in the next couple of months, I'll have awesome So yay. But thank you Wendy for coming, thank you for having me. I'd love to have you back whenever you want. Yeah, I know, whenever you want. Whenever I want. We'll just take you showers by the night. You know where I live now, I don't read that. I know what your facement do. Yes, you do. Oh that's not creepy, right, is it creepy? No? It's not She's not a whole studio down here, So it's that little sections of like things going on. Yeah, just organized chaos organized. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. I People always point out how like jolly and high spirited I am and stuff like this and on the news and in all my videos, and I'm like, first of all, that's just how I am. Maybe that's just how I respond to traumatic things. I guess I've never been any through anything this bad before or whatever. But it like, like, would you would you even watch my videos if I was like like, I'm not going to press record when I'm sobbing, and you know what I mean. Like, so I'm I'm trying to keep the energy up, keep keep everybody else's spirits up to and like I am hopeful, And this isn't like a you know I mean, yeah, well true, it's true who you. Are, yeah, personality, and you know, you don't need to diminish who you are, you know, because you're going through something really tragic, and honestly it's your way of coping too, if it's the way that you handle it. For me too, it's like I just kind of go in like autopilots. So. Just because I'm not like, yeah, crying Sabby, Like I have to stay you have to stay focused, you know, you have to you have to stay focused. So that's why I'm like, as we're signing off, I'm like, oh yeah, cool things having me. I'm like, we're talking about my missing dad. I don't mean to be like yay, I'm just you know, again, just grateful for the time and the like this type of stuff. This is what keeps us going. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well, thanks thanks for coming. It was so great to have you, and it's great to be here. I'm excited to listen to this later. Yes, absolutely funky. All right, guys, well, thank you so much for tuning in for today's episode of Case Uncovered. I know this is a different one, but there will definitely be more like this, like more intimate interviews and things. Like that and studios. So stay tuned and uh yay, yeah, find out new this. Find you all right, guys, can talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye,